Grammy-Nominated Sheila E. Talks Women in Music, Love, and Power Moves

[00:00:00] ... and then he grabbed me, you know, to get me closer and tried to feel on me. I turned around and I slapped him like I hit those drums.

[00:00:09] I just ... Good for you.

[00:00:17] Hey, everybody. I'm Lonnie Love, comedian, talk show host, and Emmy winner.

[00:00:21] Yeah, well, I'm Erica Montalvo, writer, showrunner, and the Emmy winner's super fun sidekick.

[00:00:29] That's right, Erica. And thank you all for joining us for another episode.

[00:00:32] So, we have got a great one today.

[00:00:35] For our Grown-Ass topic, we will be talking with my girl, Sheila E.,

[00:00:39] about being a woman in a male-dominated field.

[00:00:43] But before we dive in, we want to give a shout out to all of our listeners

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[00:01:31] And now that we've done all of that, let's catch up with Erica.

[00:01:34] Erica, what's on your mind?

[00:01:36] Well, first of all, I was very happy to have spent my birthday with you.

[00:01:43] That was very sweet of you.

[00:01:44] Thank you for coming.

[00:01:45] It was sweet of you.

[00:01:46] We had so much fun.

[00:01:47] Let me tell y'all, Lonnie Love don't play.

[00:01:50] She is funny as hell.

[00:01:52] You think she's funny on this show and live in the real world?

[00:01:57] This bitch is hilarious.

[00:01:58] So, we had so much fun.

[00:02:00] And she, you know, made me feel special.

[00:02:02] I walked into her saying, oh, speaking of skinny bitches, here comes Erica.

[00:02:06] I was like, okay, here we go.

[00:02:09] We're off to the races.

[00:02:11] But you proceeded to have, like, send me some cheesecake.

[00:02:13] So, thank you for that.

[00:02:15] And we just had so much fun.

[00:02:17] You were just so lovely.

[00:02:18] You met all my friends.

[00:02:18] And it was a blast.

[00:02:20] Corona babe.

[00:02:21] Let's not skirt over that issue.

[00:02:24] Everybody.

[00:02:25] I met Corona babe.

[00:02:28] And really nice man.

[00:02:30] Very, very nice.

[00:02:31] He's a musician, right?

[00:02:33] An actor and a musician.

[00:02:34] Yeah.

[00:02:35] Oh, an actor and a musician.

[00:02:36] Okay.

[00:02:37] Hello.

[00:02:37] He's very creative.

[00:02:39] You know, that's my type.

[00:02:41] I, it's funny because I, you know, in case you guys haven't listened or heard in the past,

[00:02:47] Corona babe is my on and off again boo for like, since before Corona, which is why he's Corona babe.

[00:02:54] Like we kind of got locked down together.

[00:02:56] And I had a lot of backlash early on because I mentioned him and called him Corona babe.

[00:03:02] And he hates being called Corona babe.

[00:03:03] Cause I think he feels like it, you know, reduces him to being a little like side piece or whatever.

[00:03:10] But a couple of weeks ago, Lonnie and I gave him a real name, but even that turned into a whole thing.

[00:03:16] Cause like, well, I don't need to be telling my name to everybody.

[00:03:18] And I was like, well, listen, either you would be Corona babe or you want your name.

[00:03:21] I'm like, what do you want?

[00:03:22] And stop listening to my show.

[00:03:24] It's not for you.

[00:03:27] I've spent my last three birthdays with him.

[00:03:29] We are basically a couple, but I think when you don't define it, it's like, then everything becomes a thing.

[00:03:36] Do you know what I'm saying?

[00:03:36] So like when I called him Corona babe, that becomes a thing.

[00:03:40] Then he called me a cougar.

[00:03:42] That became a big thing.

[00:03:43] Remember?

[00:03:43] And so like everything becomes a thing and we need to basically shit or get off the pot is what it is.

[00:03:49] But neither one of us are willing to do that.

[00:03:51] So y'all too, not going to worry me.

[00:03:54] I'll just keep asking every week about you two.

[00:03:58] What else is going on with you?

[00:04:00] Listen, yes.

[00:04:02] I'm happy to move on from that.

[00:04:04] I will tell you, I had a little conversation with Claire Huxtable, my mother, who you know is an avid listener to the show.

[00:04:12] And she's become very much a fan because she thinks we're getting better and better every week.

[00:04:16] So she loved last week's episode with Kate.

[00:04:21] Oh, wow.

[00:04:21] Because I mean, it was such a great.

[00:04:23] Kate is amazing.

[00:04:23] And if anyone hasn't listened to it, she talks about grief and is so open about her situation where she lost her dad.

[00:04:30] But of course, Claire can't get out of a conversation with only positive.

[00:04:34] She's got it.

[00:04:35] She's like, we need the critical.

[00:04:38] So thank you.

[00:04:39] Thank you, Claire.

[00:04:40] She said, you know, the one negative I will say, of course, it's about me.

[00:04:44] It's never about you.

[00:04:45] She said, you know, you maybe it's the laugh.

[00:04:48] Like you laugh a lot.

[00:04:50] I was like, well, I'm like, first of all, yeah.

[00:04:55] I mean, because I, Lonnie makes me laugh, like legit.

[00:04:58] Like she makes me laugh.

[00:04:59] And she's like, well, I never heard you laugh like that before.

[00:05:02] And I was like, well, maybe because you're not funny.

[00:05:05] Okay.

[00:05:06] But Lonnie legit makes me laugh.

[00:05:08] So I'm sorry, everybody, if my laugh is off-putting.

[00:05:11] But I'm legit laughing because Lonnie love makes me laugh.

[00:05:14] So there you go.

[00:05:15] Well, you know, this is a growing medium that we're doing.

[00:05:19] So you find out what's good, what's not.

[00:05:23] And everybody has their little quirks.

[00:05:25] But I like your laugh.

[00:05:26] So.

[00:05:27] Well, listen, I can't help it.

[00:05:28] This is, listen, and I'm usually behind the camera.

[00:05:31] So I'm usually laughing behind the camera so they can cut me out.

[00:05:36] I love it.

[00:05:37] And we love Miss Claire and everyone else out there.

[00:05:41] And that's enough about you, Erica.

[00:05:44] Thank you.

[00:05:44] Let's move on to our new segment.

[00:05:46] The Grown Ass Woman of the Week.

[00:05:48] It's our way of spotlighting women making a difference, whether it's someone in your community, a friend, or even you.

[00:05:55] And this week we are highlighting a wonderful woman.

[00:05:59] Her name is Shirley Rains.

[00:06:02] And she has this wonderful organization called Beauty to the Streets.

[00:06:06] And Beauty to the Streets is her nonprofit organization that she provides food, hygienic services, and unconditional support to people without a home.

[00:06:18] And it's for the Los Angeles area.

[00:06:20] She's extended it to San Diego.

[00:06:23] And now she's even in Las Vegas.

[00:06:25] And what she does is so phenomenal.

[00:06:28] She's a makeup artist.

[00:06:29] And she gives free haircuts to the homeless.

[00:06:32] She goes on skid row.

[00:06:33] She goes all over.

[00:06:34] But what she started doing was putting this camera that hangs in her truck.

[00:06:40] And she started running TikTok lives and Instagram lives.

[00:06:45] And you can actually see, you know, the people that she has to service.

[00:06:50] And some, you know, are mentally challenged.

[00:06:53] Some are just homeless.

[00:06:55] But the kindness that Shirley Rains shows to the people is always there.

[00:07:03] And she'll give them, you know, a meal.

[00:07:06] She gives them a snack.

[00:07:08] She gives them, she provides socks.

[00:07:11] That's something that homeless people really, really need is like, you know, socks.

[00:07:16] And she hopes that she's changing the narrative of homelessness.

[00:07:20] And she uses it, like I said, as a fundraising.

[00:07:24] She's been doing this since 2017.

[00:07:26] So I just wanted to give a shout out to Shirley Rains.

[00:07:31] And if you could follow her on Instagram or on TikTok, it's beauty, the number two, the streets.

[00:07:38] And, you know, she's just a phenomenal woman.

[00:07:41] She keeps doing it.

[00:07:43] And, you know, we need to highlight more people like Miss Shirley.

[00:07:47] So I think it's just phenomenal.

[00:07:49] I love that.

[00:07:50] And, again, you know, not everyone has to be famous to be a hero.

[00:07:54] And I think, you know, we so much talk about in our industry right now that it's a difficult time after the strike and people aren't working.

[00:08:01] But look at Shirley.

[00:08:03] Like she's in our industry and is taking whatever extra time she has to help people.

[00:08:07] And I think that's amazing.

[00:08:08] We could take a lesson from her.

[00:08:10] She basically does this every day.

[00:08:11] I like that.

[00:08:13] It's literally like every day that she she's been taking time out.

[00:08:17] And it's wonderful people like her that lets us know that they're just some cool people out there.

[00:08:23] So that is our grown ass woman of the week.

[00:08:26] Great.

[00:08:26] Shirley Rains from Beauty to the Street.

[00:08:29] With that said, we've got another great episode.

[00:08:32] Like I promised everyone today, we're going to get into all sorts of stuff.

[00:08:36] We'll be talking about the fire inside and the drama outside.

[00:08:41] Oh, you'll see what I'm talking about.

[00:08:44] Also, we have a Supreme Broadway debut.

[00:08:48] And we have the problem with baby boomer grandparents.

[00:08:52] There's an interesting problem that I think, you know, you all want to hear about.

[00:08:55] And in today's grown ass topic, we're going to be joined by our friend, Miss Sheila E.

[00:09:00] Yes.

[00:09:00] As we talk about being a woman in a male dominated field.

[00:09:05] We'll get into all of that and more.

[00:09:06] This is grown ass women talking.

[00:09:08] Are you a grown ass woman with something to say?

[00:09:10] What are you unapologetic about?

[00:09:12] What's got you fired up?

[00:09:14] Are you thrilled the kids are back in school?

[00:09:17] Or are you mad at your friends for asking you out after 9 p.m.?

[00:09:20] Did you get stood up on your third tender date this week?

[00:09:23] Whatever it is, let it all out.

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[00:09:51] We're back with more G-A-W-T.

[00:09:53] Now's the time for grown ass women news.

[00:09:55] Each week, I'll get Erica's take on the week's entertainment news,

[00:09:59] current events, and news about grown ass women.

[00:10:02] First up, there are a lot of movies coming out.

[00:10:05] Especially for the holidays and for Christmas.

[00:10:08] And I've been going to a lot of premieres.

[00:10:11] I know.

[00:10:12] You're very busy these days.

[00:10:13] I see on your Instagrams.

[00:10:16] Well, it was one movie that I went to.

[00:10:19] It's called The Fire Inside.

[00:10:20] It's the story of Carissa Shields.

[00:10:24] And it's due out on Christmas Day.

[00:10:26] It stars Ryan Destiny as Shields.

[00:10:28] And it's directed by the Oscar-nominated cinematographer Rachel Morrison.

[00:10:34] I was really happy to see that.

[00:10:35] And it was also written by the Oscar-winning director Barry Jenkins.

[00:10:39] And it also stars Brian Tyree Henry.

[00:10:43] And it's about Shields, Carissa Shields, the boxer, who at 17 is the youngest boxer at the United States Olympic Trials in 2012.

[00:10:52] She won gold medals for both 2012 and the 2016 Olympics.

[00:10:58] She's also the first American woman to win a gold medal in boxing at the Games.

[00:11:04] And she went pro in 2016.

[00:11:06] And it's just a wonderful story.

[00:11:10] A very well-written story.

[00:11:12] I think Barry Jenkins did a great job.

[00:11:15] The acting is phenomenal.

[00:11:17] Ryan Destiny is just this wonderful young actress.

[00:11:22] And you know what?

[00:11:23] I was really happy at the premiere to see so much support for this film.

[00:11:29] You had Michael B. Jordan there.

[00:11:31] You had a slew of people.

[00:11:33] Jamel Hill was there.

[00:11:35] I got to say hi to her.

[00:11:36] I got to actually meet Clarissa Shields.

[00:11:40] And she's just a phenomenal person.

[00:11:42] And with all of this wonderfulness coming on, you know there's some drama happening.

[00:11:48] Uh-oh.

[00:11:48] What went on?

[00:11:49] There seems to be some fallout between Papoose and Remy Ma, which dates back to 2023.

[00:11:59] When Papoose discovered that Remy was cheating with him on a battle rapper, with a battle rapper called Easy the Block Captain.

[00:12:10] Woo!

[00:12:10] He's a...

[00:12:11] Yeah.

[00:12:12] What the hell?

[00:12:13] The kids know.

[00:12:14] Oh, boy.

[00:12:14] Okay?

[00:12:15] But Papoose allegedly assaulted this battle rapper.

[00:12:20] We'll just call him Easy.

[00:12:21] Please.

[00:12:22] During a battle rap event that same year.

[00:12:24] But never spoke publicly about the fight or his and Remy's deteriorating relationship.

[00:12:31] Now, Remy, of course, went to jail for some time.

[00:12:34] Pap held her down.

[00:12:36] They were on the reel many, many times.

[00:12:39] They ended up having a wonderful baby that they called the golden child.

[00:12:44] And she's just a beautiful little girl.

[00:12:46] And it's just a wonderful love story.

[00:12:48] And now, all of a sudden, this is all changing.

[00:12:51] All of that changed when Remy Ma made a scathing social media post last week revealing that Papoose had a romance with Clarissa Shields.

[00:13:04] What does it have to do with the movie?

[00:13:06] But now...

[00:13:06] Yeah, I was going to get to it.

[00:13:07] Okay.

[00:13:08] I mean, you took a minute.

[00:13:11] Now, she's accusing the rapper of being a serial cheater and being involved with multiple women.

[00:13:17] So, Papoose responded by confirming that he knocked out Easy the Block Captain, deeming Remy as a narcissist.

[00:13:27] And, you know, it got...

[00:13:29] I mean, for a long time, Remy and Papoose, we knew something was going on because, you know, how they stopped posting each other.

[00:13:36] Right.

[00:13:36] They stopped following each other.

[00:13:38] Right.

[00:13:38] And you just see the baby with one of them or whatever.

[00:13:42] Um, so now this has happened, supposedly because Remy, uh, believes that Papoose and Clarissa are now dating.

[00:13:53] And so the bad blood keeps boiling over because Pap said he knocked out her, which is Remy's proposed boo, the Easy Dude.

[00:14:02] And now it's a mess.

[00:14:05] And the thing is, is Clarissa actually sent out a tweet saying, hey, my movie is about to come out.

[00:14:13] My people are going crazy because this isn't good publicity.

[00:14:18] Don't fuck up my shit right now.

[00:14:20] Come on now.

[00:14:21] So what do you think about all of this?

[00:14:24] This is like drama.

[00:14:25] I mean, listen, you and I talked about this, about these women, which I love.

[00:14:29] I love, you know, Remy.

[00:14:31] I love, you know, Cardi B.

[00:14:32] But all of them in love with these bad boys, like, what did they expect?

[00:14:36] You know what I mean?

[00:14:36] It's like, now Cardi B and, and Allsett are in the club together again.

[00:14:40] You know, it's like, it's, they love the drama.

[00:14:42] They love that kind of, like, somebody's going to shoot somebody for me.

[00:14:45] Someone's going to beat somebody up for me.

[00:14:46] Someone's going to, you know, come back and get me in the club because even though they cheated on me, I got five of their babies.

[00:14:51] I mean, like, that's, that's the rap shit.

[00:14:55] That is the rap shit.

[00:14:56] I am sorry.

[00:14:58] I'm not in it.

[00:14:59] You, you, you met Corona Bay.

[00:15:01] He's not a rapper.

[00:15:03] So I don't know.

[00:15:04] Thank goodness.

[00:15:05] Thank goodness.

[00:15:06] He sings like Bob Dylan songs.

[00:15:08] I know.

[00:15:09] He's like, he's a little guitar.

[00:15:11] You're going, I checked him out on his Instagram and I saw him.

[00:15:14] So it's like, yeah.

[00:15:16] Don't, don't date rappers.

[00:15:18] I think the whole moral of this story is don't date rappers.

[00:15:21] You go straight up acoustic.

[00:15:22] You got to go acoustic.

[00:15:24] But you know what?

[00:15:25] At least it's giving her some type of publicity.

[00:15:28] I think, you know, people didn't know, you know, so.

[00:15:32] Bad publicity is good publicity.

[00:15:34] Yeah.

[00:15:35] Exactly.

[00:15:35] I say, watch her movie.

[00:15:36] It comes out Christmas.

[00:15:38] The fire inside.

[00:15:39] Another movie that I went to the premiere of was the Mufasa movie, which is the Disney movie.

[00:15:46] It's the story of Mufasa, which is the father of Simba.

[00:15:52] I love it.

[00:15:53] I love it.

[00:15:53] And, oh, it's, it's, this was another movie by Barry Jenkins.

[00:15:58] Barry, you're doing it.

[00:16:00] Can I say I love Barry Jenkins?

[00:16:02] Have I said that a number of times on this?

[00:16:04] Him and Coleman Domingo are your two favorites.

[00:16:07] Oh my God.

[00:16:08] You love him.

[00:16:09] You love Coleman Domingo.

[00:16:09] You love Michael B. Gordon.

[00:16:10] They're so cool.

[00:16:11] He is just a cool, and, and the, and I don't think I've said this before, but Barry Jenkins,

[00:16:18] what I really love about him is that he really loves the whole process of movie making.

[00:16:23] He even, he, you know, he's the Oscar winning director of Moonlighting.

[00:16:28] Yeah.

[00:16:28] Moonlight.

[00:16:30] Moonlight.

[00:16:30] Yeah.

[00:16:31] And he actually developed a lighting system that is great for people of color because,

[00:16:38] you know, a lot of people don't realize how lighting is so important.

[00:16:44] And the reason why a lot, and you remember you as a writer, you know, back in the day,

[00:16:49] like I'm talking about like in the eighties, they wouldn't put dark skinned people on sitcoms

[00:16:56] because of the lighting.

[00:16:57] Right.

[00:16:57] Absolutely.

[00:16:58] Because it was a majority of, if there was a majority of white people, then you have like

[00:17:03] that, that sixth or seventh C, which would be the black person or the person of color.

[00:17:09] Yeah.

[00:17:09] Yeah.

[00:17:10] It was hard to like, cause you've got all these white faces.

[00:17:13] Absolutely.

[00:17:14] And then you've got that dark one down there.

[00:17:16] And it's like, it was always like an issue, but because of technology and, and, and, you

[00:17:22] know, I'm not, I'm not making this up because remember when Oprah, we had a talk show.

[00:17:27] Oprah made that happen.

[00:17:28] She had special lighting that was very, very expensive.

[00:17:33] We could never get it on a reel.

[00:17:34] That's why the reel, we can't get it on this show for sure.

[00:17:38] Oh, can I get some light?

[00:17:41] I mean, it's like, you know, you, all you need is a gold filter and you're good, but she

[00:17:48] was using all types of filters, things like that.

[00:17:51] So anyway, I say all of that to say that Barry Jenkins developed this really great lighting

[00:17:57] system, him and his team of people.

[00:18:00] And I think that's one of the reasons why, you know, when you see his film, you see this

[00:18:04] clarity, this clearness, it's very artsy.

[00:18:08] I first came into contact with him.

[00:18:11] I went to, I spoke at the Savannah Film Festival when Moonlight was, yes.

[00:18:16] Yeah.

[00:18:16] I'm very, I'm very established.

[00:18:19] I was like, I'm very established.

[00:18:19] But I saw the movie and it was so beautiful.

[00:18:23] Like the way that they shot that movie, to your point, was so gorgeous.

[00:18:26] And I remember, I mean, this was his first movie, so no one knew who he was.

[00:18:29] I was in a screening of it.

[00:18:31] And I remember like, I was sitting next to this one woman who's on the panel with me and

[00:18:35] she's like, when it finished, she didn't know what to say.

[00:18:37] She's kind of like, well, I don't know if I like this movie or if I don't like this

[00:18:40] movie.

[00:18:40] She was white, but not to say that.

[00:18:42] That's it.

[00:18:43] But I was like, what are you talking about?

[00:18:44] This is the most beautiful movie I've ever seen.

[00:18:46] I mean, and again, I knew it was a different kind of vibe, but it was so beautiful, like

[00:18:52] visually.

[00:18:52] And even the, because the book, I loved the play that came from the title of the play,

[00:18:59] or I think it was a play, was In the Moonlight, Colored Men Look Blue.

[00:19:06] I think that was the, yeah.

[00:19:07] Yeah.

[00:19:07] And so I just thought that was such a beautiful title.

[00:19:09] And that's exactly how it was shot.

[00:19:11] Like those moonlight scenes when they're in the water and the beautiful boys look blue,

[00:19:15] you know, and I, so it was so poetic to me.

[00:19:18] So I just, I'm a huge fan of his and I'm so happy to see him, you know, just continuing

[00:19:24] to make magic.

[00:19:25] He will.

[00:19:26] And this is another movie, this Mufasa movie, which is a Disney movie.

[00:19:32] Um, and it stars Aaron Pierce, his voice by him.

[00:19:37] Um, and it's the debut for Blue Ivy.

[00:19:41] I know.

[00:19:42] She plays Kiara.

[00:19:44] And, uh, it was just a wonderful Disney movie.

[00:19:48] It's just another part of the Lion King.

[00:19:51] And it answers a lot of questions about Scar and all that kind of stuff.

[00:19:56] But of course, there's always going to be drama.

[00:19:59] More drama behind the scenes.

[00:20:01] Before this premiere, there was a accusation by a young woman, uh, concerning Jay-Z, who is the

[00:20:10] father of Blue Ivy.

[00:20:12] And this, um, accuser went through this attorney named Busby and they filed, uh, some type of

[00:20:21] civil suit.

[00:20:22] And they're trying to say that, uh, Jay-Z was one, uh, of the people that raped her along

[00:20:30] with P. Diddy.

[00:20:32] And there was a celebrity female with them.

[00:20:36] Um, this caused a mess.

[00:20:40] Jay-Z, uh, responded the night before with a letter from his attorney.

[00:20:46] And basically he's fighting these charges.

[00:20:49] He's saying that it has never been done.

[00:20:51] Um, he says that, um, he's, you know, he was just upset, um, because these claims are

[00:20:58] preposterous.

[00:20:59] And the, what I like about what is happening is that Jay-Z never blamed the accuser.

[00:21:06] There was an interview that the accuser did.

[00:21:10] We call her Jane Doe with NBC.

[00:21:13] During that, um, during that interview, there are a lot of inconsistencies in her story.

[00:21:20] She even admitted that, yeah, I have inconsistencies.

[00:21:24] But the thing is, is that what Jay-Z and his lawyer are saying is that Busby is accused,

[00:21:32] you know, they're accusing Busby of trying to just shake down celebrities.

[00:21:36] And supposedly there have been letters sent to other celebrities, you know, trying to,

[00:21:43] I guess, have a meeting or they're either trying to get money and things like that.

[00:21:49] Jay-Z is the one who is actually saying, you know, I'm going to fight, I'm going to fight,

[00:21:55] you know, that.

[00:21:56] And with all that said, we always want to believe women and we want to wait until the

[00:22:03] courts decide.

[00:22:04] What I like is that he's saying, we're going to go to court.

[00:22:08] I'm going to show you that you're wrong.

[00:22:10] And, you know, we're going to clear this all up.

[00:22:13] Yeah.

[00:22:13] Listen, I think, I think both things can be true, right?

[00:22:16] I mean, like she, if we're saying he's being accused by this woman, we don't know that

[00:22:22] she's not right.

[00:22:23] I mean, she could be, he could be 100% guilty.

[00:22:26] We just don't know that.

[00:22:26] And you're right.

[00:22:27] He deserves his day in court.

[00:22:28] But I think this is one of the things that is very difficult for women who have been sexually

[00:22:33] abused because you're going up against someone with that kind of power.

[00:22:37] You know, you don't think you're going to be heard and you do need an advocate.

[00:22:41] And I, and again, I, I, I agree.

[00:22:43] This guy is not coming to lawyer.

[00:22:45] It's not coming off in the best light because he looks like an ambulance chaser.

[00:22:48] Right.

[00:22:49] But, but, you know, this Jay-Z being a part of this, if defendant number two, you know,

[00:22:56] it's been a conversation that everyone's been having.

[00:22:58] Everyone's heard that there's like a, you know, male celebrity and female celebrity who

[00:23:03] were there with Diddy and that whole thing that he was charged with.

[00:23:06] And so everyone assumed it was Jay-Z.

[00:23:08] So it's, you know, sometimes where there's smoke, there's fire, but I get, I would not

[00:23:12] accuse him.

[00:23:13] I wasn't there.

[00:23:14] I'm not saying he's guilty.

[00:23:15] And you're right.

[00:23:16] Once someone accused you of rape or murder or whatever, it's like, you can't, you can't

[00:23:20] unring that bell.

[00:23:21] And so that's going to be something that's going to be, that's going to follow him.

[00:23:24] So he's going to have to aggressively defend himself, which he's doing.

[00:23:28] But at the same time, you know, you've got to feel for this woman who at 13, quite frankly,

[00:23:33] I know the inconsistencies seem, you know, dubious, but do you remember at 13, what you

[00:23:39] were doing?

[00:23:39] And if, if she was drugged, like, I mean, you're going to have fuzzy memories.

[00:23:44] I'm just saying it doesn't make him not guilty.

[00:23:47] Just because at 13, she doesn't remember after being drugged, what lies she told to

[00:23:51] her parents.

[00:23:52] Right.

[00:23:53] You know, well, you know, the thing is, is that I'm going to ask your opinion of this.

[00:23:58] This came out the night before the premiere.

[00:24:02] Do you think he should have went to the premiere?

[00:24:04] Listen, I think to your point, he's, he's doubling down on being innocent.

[00:24:09] And I think he's wants to hide in plain sight and not, I mean, I think he thinks if he didn't

[00:24:14] show up and make him look guilty, you can even look at it two ways.

[00:24:17] It's I'm not guilty.

[00:24:18] So I'm going to show people that I'm not afraid to show up for my daughter or walk the

[00:24:22] streets.

[00:24:23] Or it could also be like, you know, I'm, I'm above the law.

[00:24:27] And so no one's going to get me anyway.

[00:24:29] And that's why I think came off with Puffy and that's why they got his ass while he's

[00:24:33] walking through a hotel.

[00:24:34] With that said quickly, there's some other Christmas movies that are coming out of complete

[00:24:38] unknown.

[00:24:39] Timothy Chalamet is playing Bob Dylan.

[00:24:42] Also Nicole Kidman is coming out as baby girl.

[00:24:45] And these are all like potential golden globe and it's award season.

[00:24:52] So it's going to be an interesting season.

[00:24:53] So it's going to be a bunch of holiday movies if you're interested.

[00:24:58] Well, first of all, I've got all of them now from my, cause you know, I get my screeners

[00:25:02] from being in the guild and the academy.

[00:25:04] And so I'm excited cause I would not see them otherwise, you know.

[00:25:07] Well, that's for your holiday.

[00:25:09] But also I want to give it a shout out to a Supreme court justice, Kataji Brown Jackson.

[00:25:15] She made a one night only Broadway debut in the play and Juliet and it fulfilled a lifelong

[00:25:24] dream of hers.

[00:25:25] She had such a good time.

[00:25:26] She was so cute.

[00:25:28] She was so cute.

[00:25:29] She's like itty bitty.

[00:25:30] She's tiny.

[00:25:31] She's a little something, you know, and I'm glad she did that.

[00:25:35] I mean, while other people are hanging out, other justices are hanging out with billionaires.

[00:25:39] She's just, you know, doing theater.

[00:25:41] So cute.

[00:25:42] I just think that that's great.

[00:25:44] I love that she was like a, probably a theater nerd.

[00:25:47] You know what I mean?

[00:25:47] Like she's like, oh, I'm going to go study my books, but then I got to go to theater class.

[00:25:50] And she probably always wanted to do that.

[00:25:52] It's so cute.

[00:25:53] I love it.

[00:25:54] Also want to talk about something a little serious.

[00:25:58] There was this article that says that women in Congress are more likely to be victims

[00:26:04] of deepfake pornographic items than their male counterparts, according to a national organization

[00:26:12] that combats disinformation online.

[00:26:14] They're called deepfakes and also known as AI generated non-consensual intimate imagery.

[00:26:21] The images are also called deepfake pornography and they target mostly women.

[00:26:29] And so a lot of our congressional people, and if you notice during the,

[00:26:35] campaign, they were doing this with Kamala as well.

[00:26:38] So there definitely needs to be some type of legislation to combat this.

[00:26:44] And this is what, a part of what we were striking about the actors was this new AI technology.

[00:26:52] Yeah.

[00:26:53] So what do you think about that?

[00:26:55] Yeah.

[00:26:55] I mean, listen, it's such a slippery slope and I know that, you know, there's still

[00:27:00] legislation going on right now, but I think, you know, you have to be able to own

[00:27:03] your own likeness.

[00:27:04] You do.

[00:27:05] And anytime someone, a friend is, it's, it's, um, it's intellectual property.

[00:27:09] Right.

[00:27:10] So if someone was going to go and take you and take your jokes and just, you know, put

[00:27:14] it on the internet and change, maybe change the punchlines or make it racist or whatever,

[00:27:18] like that's got to be against the law because that's, that's, that's putting, like that's

[00:27:23] defaming you.

[00:27:24] Right.

[00:27:24] And, and you'd have to be accountable for stuff that you have to verify that you didn't

[00:27:27] say something.

[00:27:28] It becomes a whole thing.

[00:27:30] So yeah, I mean, it, there has to be legislation and I don't understand why it's taking so long.

[00:27:36] Yeah.

[00:27:37] It, I don't know why either.

[00:27:38] It's just, you know, everybody's like scary.

[00:27:41] That's just like this whole TikTok thing.

[00:27:43] They're talking about banning TikTok and it's like, it takes so long.

[00:27:48] It's, I don't know.

[00:27:49] It's like, we can do everything else quick when they want to get my money.

[00:27:53] They take it quick.

[00:27:54] They sure do.

[00:27:55] Pass these policies.

[00:27:57] I mean, it's like, it's like the drones, right?

[00:27:59] Like those drones over New Jersey.

[00:28:00] Like, why don't we like, let's get those drones.

[00:28:02] Like, why are we talking about whether the drones are like, okay or not?

[00:28:05] Like, let's get, make something happen.

[00:28:07] But that's the problem right now with, I think Washington in general.

[00:28:10] I think like you have to have 15 million votes to have something done.

[00:28:13] It's like, no one could do anything unless you have, it's bureaucracy.

[00:28:16] It's red tape.

[00:28:17] It's all the stuff we talked about before.

[00:28:19] And it's just.

[00:28:20] Definitely.

[00:28:20] So it's, yeah, we'll keep looking at that.

[00:28:24] Also, there's this new phenomenon, Erica, of boomer grandparents that are refusing to be directly involved with their children and grandchildren.

[00:28:36] Honey, they like, you could keep them babies.

[00:28:40] You could keep them all on TikTok, all on X.

[00:28:45] There are all types of tweets and there are all kinds of posts complaining.

[00:28:55] And I was reading one.

[00:28:56] It was, her name was Kira.

[00:28:58] She says, I think about writing a book about the devastating phenomenon of baby boomer grandparents refusing to be directly involved with their children and grandchildren.

[00:29:07] I've heard so many sad stories from Gen X parents like me recently.

[00:29:13] And so she ended up getting a response by one lady.

[00:29:18] She says, you know, I'm the mother of two beautiful daughters, 26 and 26 year old twins.

[00:29:25] And my husband and I have been all in 24 seven their entire lives.

[00:29:30] We set them up for success with love and really being present.

[00:29:34] Both have advanced degrees and steady boyfriends.

[00:29:38] That being said, I will not be a nanny for their children.

[00:29:41] I will love them and spoil them, but I will not be an every week plan.

[00:29:47] It's my time now to travel and enjoy my husband.

[00:29:51] We've never asked our parents for anything.

[00:29:54] Them offering a date night was the cherry on top.

[00:29:58] Otherwise she saved and hired a babysitter.

[00:30:01] Call me selfish.

[00:30:03] What do you think?

[00:30:03] I listen, I love a glamma.

[00:30:06] That's what I call it.

[00:30:07] A glamma because and it's funny because, you know, when Wendy Raquel was on our show and she is on on Papa's house and that's her character.

[00:30:16] Like she plays Damon's ex-wife and she comes in and the kids run to her.

[00:30:20] She's like, oh, no.

[00:30:21] Did you wash your hands?

[00:30:21] Like over there?

[00:30:23] You know, and I think it's true.

[00:30:25] I mean, listen, especially like my mom.

[00:30:28] I think my mom has no grandchildren because my brother and I are, you know, have horrible relationships.

[00:30:34] But I think deep down, she's kind of like, thank God.

[00:30:38] You know what I mean?

[00:30:38] She doesn't have to deal with our kids.

[00:30:41] She's happy to deal with our dogs and that's about it.

[00:30:43] But I mean, but I mean, at some point you should help your children.

[00:30:49] I mean, I think they've helped.

[00:30:52] I think to that woman's point, like she, her, she's helped her kids.

[00:30:55] Now she's not going to help her kids' kids.

[00:30:57] Like how many kids' kids does she have to be responsible for?

[00:31:00] Right?

[00:31:00] I mean, I put you through college.

[00:31:02] I'm just saying, I'm just taking the devil's advocate of it all.

[00:31:05] Like I get it.

[00:31:06] If you like put your kids through college, they probably lived in your house for like till

[00:31:09] they're in their 20s.

[00:31:10] You paid for their weddings.

[00:31:11] I mean, all the stuff that you've done.

[00:31:13] And finally, when is it about me?

[00:31:15] Like I get that.

[00:31:16] It's like now like you're good.

[00:31:18] Your turn to take care of your kids.

[00:31:19] I'll be in Tahiti.

[00:31:24] But you're supposed to help the babies.

[00:31:26] Who go help with others?

[00:31:28] Well, it's so funny because I have, okay, there's a whole nother layer of Erica, but I

[00:31:31] have an ex who has a daughter.

[00:31:34] So I was kind of like a stepmom for a while.

[00:31:36] So she's coming because we're still, the ex is gone, but she and I still have a relationship.

[00:31:40] She's nine.

[00:31:41] And she's very close to my parents too.

[00:31:43] So she's coming to stay with me over the holidays.

[00:31:46] And I'm like, mom, you know, her name, I'm not going to put her name on here, but she's

[00:31:50] coming.

[00:31:51] And my mom's, well, have fun.

[00:31:53] Like, you don't want to hang out?

[00:31:54] She's like, nope.

[00:31:55] She's like, that's on you.

[00:31:57] Have fun.

[00:31:58] Like, I'll see you when she's gone.

[00:31:59] But it's that kind of like, I don't know.

[00:32:02] I think it's kind of like, you know what?

[00:32:03] You, it's your turn to be a mom.

[00:32:05] I've done that.

[00:32:06] And I'll come say hi, but I'm not going to entertain.

[00:32:09] I'm not going to cook.

[00:32:10] I'm not going to, you know, I don't want to do all things I had to do for you.

[00:32:13] And it's a thing for sure.

[00:32:16] But, you know, see, I don't understand.

[00:32:18] I thought that it was okay to help your kids.

[00:32:21] And I get, you know, you don't maybe want to babysit them every day, you know, or help them

[00:32:28] or whatever.

[00:32:29] I just think it's just like, I don't know.

[00:32:31] I think they're tired.

[00:32:34] Like, my mom is tired.

[00:32:35] She's just like, she's, all she can do is just criticize me.

[00:32:40] So that's a full-time job for her.

[00:32:44] After that, she's got no more energy left.

[00:32:48] Wow.

[00:32:49] Okay.

[00:32:50] Well, all you grandmas, they're not your regular grandmas anymore.

[00:32:54] We call them glammas.

[00:32:56] They're glammas.

[00:32:57] These are not even glammas.

[00:32:59] These are just, you know, I mean, you got the cost of living going up.

[00:33:04] You got all this, you know, you got to help with these babies.

[00:33:08] Okay.

[00:33:08] You're a better person than most people.

[00:33:11] You're very altruistic.

[00:33:12] Most people.

[00:33:12] But that's why I didn't have children.

[00:33:14] See, exactly.

[00:33:15] See, I was, this is, you know, for a number of reasons is the reason why I didn't want to

[00:33:19] have children because, but this is one of them because they, they expect you to help.

[00:33:25] And I'm like, Ooh, yeah, they want you, they want to stay alive.

[00:33:27] You gotta keep, you gotta feed them and make sure they stay alive.

[00:33:32] Okay.

[00:33:33] Well, moving on.

[00:33:34] Blast from the past is the bubble skirt has made a comeback.

[00:33:39] What?

[00:33:39] And there's a lot of opinions about the bubble skirt.

[00:33:42] I remember the bubble skirt.

[00:33:44] You remember the bubble?

[00:33:45] Are you partaking?

[00:33:45] Are you going to get, bring out, you're going to dust off yours from the 1980s?

[00:33:51] I was probably in my parents' garage.

[00:33:53] Speaking of like my parents keeping my shit.

[00:33:58] I love a bubble skirt.

[00:34:00] Well, you know, the problem is I think some people feel like some are too short.

[00:34:04] Like they're really like, isn't that, they not a bubble.

[00:34:07] Well, here's the, can I tell you about the real problem with the bubble skirt coming back

[00:34:11] now?

[00:34:11] Like back in the eighties and, and, and me, if you could see my lower torso, like I don't

[00:34:16] have an ass.

[00:34:17] If people have, like you, like, if you have too much ass, you can't wear a bubble skirt.

[00:34:20] Now everybody has, everybody has a big ass now.

[00:34:23] So like bubble skirt does not work in 2024 with these big asses.

[00:34:29] Oh, we are, we, those kids are wearing them though.

[00:34:34] They don't even look like a skirt.

[00:34:35] I don't know what it looked like underwear.

[00:34:37] It looks like a diaper.

[00:34:39] Yeah.

[00:34:40] It looks like a diaper.

[00:34:41] A full diaper.

[00:34:46] I can't wear no bubble skirt.

[00:34:48] I got enough bubble.

[00:34:49] I think you look cute in a bubble skirt.

[00:34:51] No, I am not 13.

[00:34:54] First of all, can I just tell you about how cute you were at your show?

[00:34:57] You're so cute and you're like, you're so into Christmas and she had her little reindeer

[00:35:01] ears.

[00:35:02] I mean, Lonnie Love is feeling Christmas.

[00:35:04] She has a spirit.

[00:35:05] No, I just wanted to give people a reason to have some type of, of Christmas spirit.

[00:35:12] It's so sweet.

[00:35:13] It's so sweet.

[00:35:13] And so I've always wanted to do that.

[00:35:16] We would do it all the time on the real, you know, when it was the holidays, we decorate

[00:35:19] the set, we dress up, you know, for until leading up until that day.

[00:35:25] And so now that I'm not on the show, I said, well, I can do my live shows that way.

[00:35:29] And I think people really appreciate it.

[00:35:32] And it's just, you know, you never know who's going through something.

[00:35:35] You know what I mean?

[00:35:36] We're entertainers.

[00:35:37] We're supposed to help people escape.

[00:35:39] We're supposed to lift their spirits.

[00:35:41] And so, you know, especially around the holiday time, it get real iffy.

[00:35:45] So see everyone.

[00:35:46] Lonnie has a heart.

[00:35:47] She's like the big marshmallow.

[00:35:50] Anyway, without a bubble skirt on.

[00:35:52] That's what I'm getting you for Christmas, a bubble skirt.

[00:35:54] Oh, do not do that.

[00:35:56] We're going to take a break, everybody.

[00:35:57] And when we come back, we're going to talk to Sheila E about being in a male-dominated field.

[00:36:03] I bet she has a bubble skirt.

[00:36:05] This is grown-ass woman talking.

[00:36:09] I'm Sheila E, and this is grown-ass woman talking.

[00:36:18] Today's guest is the legendary queen of percussion.

[00:36:22] Her solo career skyrocketed with hits like The Glamorous Life and A Love Bazaar,

[00:36:27] cementing her status as a revered drummer, multi-instrumentalist, and vocalist.

[00:36:33] And she has worked alongside such music legends like Prince and George Duke, Herbie Hancock,

[00:36:39] just to name a few.

[00:36:40] And beyond the stage, Sheila has excelled as a producer, actress, and author,

[00:36:45] chronicling her journey in her autobiography, The Beat of My Own Drum,

[00:36:50] while passionately advocating for music education through her philanthropic work.

[00:36:55] In July 2023, she made history as the first female percussionist to receive a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

[00:37:03] And this year, her debut Salsa album, Bailar, featuring Gloria Estefan, Ruben Blades, and many more,

[00:37:12] earned two Grammy nominations, including Best Tropical Latin Album and Best Global Music Performance.

[00:37:19] She is a true trailblazer, a music icon, and she continues to inspire the world with her unmatched talent and passion.

[00:37:27] Please welcome my sister, Sheila E.

[00:37:30] I mean, come on now.

[00:37:33] Legend.

[00:37:34] Thank you for gracing us.

[00:37:36] Oh, my goodness.

[00:37:37] Oh, thank you.

[00:37:38] How you been?

[00:37:39] I mean, congratulations on the two Grammy nominations.

[00:37:42] Was that like a surprise?

[00:37:43] Tell me what you were feeling.

[00:37:45] Oh, my God.

[00:37:46] I was shocked.

[00:37:47] I mean, I was hoping and then forgot about it.

[00:37:50] You know, you're doing your thing.

[00:37:51] And then, you know, that album took so much work.

[00:37:56] And it was probably, I believe, one of my best works yet.

[00:38:00] And it just took a lot.

[00:38:02] It was two years in the making and five years to completion.

[00:38:05] Like, really, you know, on my bucket list of wanting to do it.

[00:38:09] And I finally had the time to do it and make it right.

[00:38:12] And it just unbelievable.

[00:38:13] The people that said yes, that said yes, that are on this record, that just gave 150%.

[00:38:20] And the record would not be what it is without everyone and their contribution.

[00:38:25] So that night when they said, oh, we're going to announce the Grammys that Friday, I think, or something.

[00:38:32] And I thought, well, I'll set my clock and I'll get up early and I'll listen to it on television.

[00:38:39] And I thought, no, I've never done that.

[00:38:41] I'm not going to do it.

[00:38:42] And I haven't been nominated since like the 80s.

[00:38:45] This is like only my second time.

[00:38:47] So it's crazy.

[00:38:48] So I went to bed and then I was up in the middle of the night just thinking and tossing and turning.

[00:38:54] I was like, I got to go to sleep.

[00:38:55] And then I finally woke up.

[00:38:57] It was 930.

[00:38:58] I turned on my phone and I was like, oh, no, somebody died because I had so many messages.

[00:39:03] My phone ding, ding, ding, ding.

[00:39:05] I'm like, oh, we lost another person.

[00:39:08] So I had no idea what was going on.

[00:39:09] First thing I think of is Miles and Pop.

[00:39:11] So I'm going, are they OK?

[00:39:13] Yeah.

[00:39:14] So I looked and then I see one person says, congratulations.

[00:39:17] I still didn't get it.

[00:39:19] And then I started reading.

[00:39:20] I'm like, oh, my God.

[00:39:22] I had no idea.

[00:39:24] I was.

[00:39:25] I'm so happy.

[00:39:26] I'm so grateful.

[00:39:27] See, this is a reward for being a grown ass woman.

[00:39:29] You took you a little, took you a minute to get here.

[00:39:32] But here you are.

[00:39:33] Right.

[00:39:34] With the best album that you could have ever made.

[00:39:36] Right.

[00:39:36] You know what?

[00:39:36] You know, Erica, she's always been there.

[00:39:39] That's true.

[00:39:39] She's always been in her music.

[00:39:41] And what I love about this album is that you had some innovative music elements.

[00:39:47] Can you talk about that?

[00:39:49] Yeah.

[00:39:50] So, you know, as you know, pop's Latin jazz artist.

[00:39:54] So I grew up as a Latin jazz artist.

[00:39:56] And then when I became Sheila E, I signed as an R&B artist and then crossed over to pop.

[00:40:02] Salsa music is completely different than Latin jazz music.

[00:40:05] And what I wanted to do was pay homage to three people or artists that really, like, influenced

[00:40:16] me in listening to music when I was younger, especially because pop's brought this music

[00:40:21] into the house.

[00:40:21] And it was, it was a city of Cruz.

[00:40:25] It was, the Fania All-Stars was a mixture of all the best, amazing Latin artists in the

[00:40:31] world together.

[00:40:32] Like, that was the Fania All-Stars.

[00:40:34] They played everything.

[00:40:35] And then, of course, my godfather, Tito Puente.

[00:40:38] So to do those three songs, like, I needed to do something different.

[00:40:42] And the element that I brought to the original was me being me from the Bay Area and bringing

[00:40:48] that a little bit of funk in there.

[00:40:51] And they're like, you know, I told my guy who, Tony Sukar, who produced this with me,

[00:40:56] and I said, I want to do bimba kolalao.

[00:40:59] And he goes, really?

[00:41:00] Okay.

[00:41:00] I said, but I want to do it like this.

[00:41:02] And I also want to, I want to play like a fast conga, rumba, rhythm in the front, reminding

[00:41:09] people that I still play.

[00:41:10] And then during the middle of the song, in the halftime, how Celia used to do that, I want

[00:41:16] to play drums, some funk behind it, and take a drum solo.

[00:41:20] He's like, whoa, that would be wicked.

[00:41:22] I'm like, yeah.

[00:41:23] So just adding those different elements, like 61% of the record is in Spanish, and then the

[00:41:29] rest is me singing mostly English, because I don't sing in Spanish very well.

[00:41:34] But I did my best, and then adding even some rap to it.

[00:41:38] So it's its own little thing.

[00:41:40] Like, it's a nice song.

[00:41:41] Like, if you want to clean up, listen to it.

[00:41:43] Just put it on and let it roll.

[00:41:44] That's how I listened to the whole album.

[00:41:47] So it was just great.

[00:41:49] And I think this is a perfect topic for you to be a part of, because we're going to get

[00:41:54] straight into it.

[00:41:55] Today's grown-ass topic, the music industry, much like Hollywood, has long been considered

[00:42:01] a boys' club.

[00:42:02] For women, it often takes more than just talent.

[00:42:05] It takes resilience, determination, and the ability to carve out a unique space to truly

[00:42:10] stand out.

[00:42:11] But music also holds immense power, the power to inspire, heal, and connect.

[00:42:16] And that power becomes even more impactful with a feminine touch.

[00:42:20] And this week, we are thrilled to talk to Sheila about navigating a male-dominated industry

[00:42:25] and the transformative power of music.

[00:42:28] So, you know, all three of us here are in male-dominated industries.

[00:42:33] But Sheila, we're asking you to share your journey of breaking the barriers, especially

[00:42:41] in music, and how you thrive and shine.

[00:42:44] Well, I mean, I think it comes from moms and pops.

[00:42:47] Because me growing up in the household of music, pops practiced to vinyl every single day.

[00:42:53] And then there were jam sessions with just percussion and maybe singers.

[00:42:57] And then once in a while, there was an entire band in the living room.

[00:43:01] So I got to be around like musicians at five years old, like people coming over and hanging

[00:43:07] out.

[00:43:08] So being around music like that, I didn't, pops and moms never said to me ever that because

[00:43:15] I was a young girl.

[00:43:16] It's like, you can't, don't touch those drums.

[00:43:18] You're not supposed to.

[00:43:19] They never, I've never heard them say that ever.

[00:43:22] And only until later on when then I became a professional musician at 15, I was going out

[00:43:27] playing with other people and meeting people.

[00:43:29] And everyone was looking at me crazy like, you know, this and telling me, well, what are you

[00:43:34] doing here?

[00:43:35] Like this one guy was going into the studio and I walked in for the session and he said,

[00:43:41] he's the drummer.

[00:43:42] And he turned around, he goes, oh, excuse me, can you give me a cup of coffee?

[00:43:45] And I said, well, I'm not the receptionist or whatever.

[00:43:50] I mean, I'll get you some coffee, but I'm the percussion player.

[00:43:52] He goes, wait, what?

[00:43:54] And he's like, you know, and the story then becomes, well, you're probably just here because

[00:43:59] you know so-and-so and you, yeah, okay, well, we'll see what happens.

[00:44:02] That kind of thing.

[00:44:03] So I didn't know that girls weren't supposed to play because I wasn't brought up in that

[00:44:09] environment of no, you know, it was like, of course, everyone plays.

[00:44:13] Let's all play.

[00:44:14] Mom, my mom plays a little bit.

[00:44:16] Of course, my brothers do.

[00:44:18] And the family would come around.

[00:44:19] But being born in the Bay, the thing about being so eclectic that the city itself is people

[00:44:26] would come to the parks and go to like Berkeley College out in the front.

[00:44:30] And we would just call each other and say, hey, we're going to go meet in at the mission

[00:44:34] district at the park in San Francisco or in Oakland.

[00:44:37] And we would all bring our percussion instruments and play.

[00:44:40] So there were always kind of women around playing as well.

[00:44:43] But I mean, really, to be able to do this in an environment of just men was very interesting.

[00:44:52] And kind of always being the only woman there, especially the musician part, not singers,

[00:44:57] but playing an instrument was different.

[00:44:59] And it was rough at times.

[00:45:03] Absolutely.

[00:45:03] Well, like Lonnie says, I mean, you've always I mean, listen, you're a beast.

[00:45:06] You're Sheila E.

[00:45:07] We like, you know, bow down.

[00:45:08] But do you think that you at that time ever succumbed to the scrutiny of you being a woman

[00:45:15] and did it close doors for you?

[00:45:17] And then now going forward, this new album, are you empowered by being a grown ass woman

[00:45:21] to do the exact kind of music you want to do?

[00:45:24] Like, were you put in a lane back then?

[00:45:26] And now you're able to do exactly what you want to do.

[00:45:30] It's really crazy, but I've always been in my own lane.

[00:45:34] Just got to say, that's just what it's been.

[00:45:36] And if I'm in a situation and I'm a part of a group like, say, Marvin Gaye, his last

[00:45:42] tour in 1982, it didn't even matter.

[00:45:45] This man is I'm looking at, oh, my God, it's Marvin Gaye and playing like the song that I

[00:45:49] grew up listening to and being able to play congas on what's going on, like amazing.

[00:45:54] And then he says during rehearsal with Sheila, when I go, we go on stage, I want you to just

[00:45:59] take over the stage.

[00:46:01] I just need to go change clothes.

[00:46:02] You got it.

[00:46:03] Like there's 23 people in the band.

[00:46:06] He asked me, grown ass woman me.

[00:46:09] Wow, that's amazing.

[00:46:11] Yeah.

[00:46:12] And I'm like, so I always got pushed into being the leader or that kind of lane, like always

[00:46:19] being pushed to do it.

[00:46:20] When Sheila, you started or Sheila, you do it or Sheila knows.

[00:46:24] Sheila will do it.

[00:46:24] I'm like, even if I didn't, I would say, of course, let's do this.

[00:46:28] I don't know.

[00:46:30] What do you think that came from?

[00:46:32] For mom.

[00:46:33] For mom.

[00:46:33] For mom.

[00:46:34] Yeah.

[00:46:34] My mom is that.

[00:46:35] That's mom's all the way.

[00:46:36] She doesn't.

[00:46:37] You ask Juanita, can you do this?

[00:46:39] Moms, can you do this?

[00:46:40] No, but I'm going to do it and I'll beat you.

[00:46:42] Like she has to beat everybody at everything all the time and very competitive, which is

[00:46:48] where I got that from.

[00:46:49] You know, so it's always like if mom's always said, you know, you can do whatever you want

[00:46:54] to do and with and watching her.

[00:46:56] The example is her and her sisters.

[00:46:58] They had a lot of brothers and they're all in sports.

[00:47:01] They were all athletes.

[00:47:02] And my mom and her sister said, we're starting an all girls team playing baseball.

[00:47:07] So they started their own team.

[00:47:09] They did that stuff because they want to do what the boys were doing.

[00:47:11] So that tomboy part of me is from moms.

[00:47:14] Just like, I'm going to do it.

[00:47:16] I don't care.

[00:47:17] I'll beat all of you guys.

[00:47:19] It's that's mom.

[00:47:20] You're already comfortable in the boys world, right?

[00:47:22] So you kind of didn't.

[00:47:23] Absolutely.

[00:47:23] Yeah.

[00:47:24] So you can move through that world now with ease because you had to compete with your

[00:47:27] brothers and keep it boys back in the day.

[00:47:31] And that was the thing.

[00:47:32] It wasn't like I wanted to compete.

[00:47:34] It's just I just stood in my own lane.

[00:47:36] And then they brought the, well, let, well, how do you know how to play this?

[00:47:40] Well, let's, let's do battle of the bands and we'll let's battle drums.

[00:47:45] I'm like, but why?

[00:47:45] I don't, why do we have to battle?

[00:47:47] Like, I mean, we could do it, but you're going to get your feelings hurt.

[00:47:50] Like, why are you going to come to me like that?

[00:47:54] But, you know, Sheila, I think that because you had the talent and I find that that really

[00:48:01] helps when you're dealing with a male dominated industry.

[00:48:04] You, first of all, you should know whatever that industry is.

[00:48:08] So you had the talent, you do, you had the instrumentation, you were a musician, but there

[00:48:15] had to be times when somebody would come and maybe try to test you and you got to, you

[00:48:20] know, bring it to them.

[00:48:21] What advice do you give to women that maybe get into a situation where they are tested?

[00:48:27] Yeah.

[00:48:27] And, and that the very first time when things were like that, things like that were happening,

[00:48:32] and the men would say very nasty things to me, like in the room and you just go, well,

[00:48:38] I just came to play.

[00:48:39] Like, why are you treating me like this?

[00:48:41] Well, pops always told me to walk into the situation and make sure that if there's music

[00:48:46] that you have to learn, just be prepared.

[00:48:49] The preparation and the work that you put in before you walk into a room is going to make

[00:48:54] you walk in with confidence.

[00:48:55] And then I'm going to have a good time because I know what I need to do.

[00:48:58] So I'm walking in like, Hey, everybody.

[00:49:00] And then you got the other guys going.

[00:49:02] I didn't listen to it.

[00:49:03] I was out all night drinking.

[00:49:05] I'm hung over.

[00:49:06] It was always something.

[00:49:07] And I would walk in prepared and ready to go, always on time and making sure that I knew

[00:49:12] that I was comfortable in the situation.

[00:49:16] Um, I think when that's, that's a hard part about it.

[00:49:19] It's like, you don't want to be that girl.

[00:49:23] You just have to stand up for yourself and, and not saying you better respect me, not by

[00:49:29] saying it like that.

[00:49:30] You shouldn't have to, you should stand in your own who you are as a person and, and, and

[00:49:35] walk in that.

[00:49:36] I love myself.

[00:49:37] I respect myself and I expect you to do the same.

[00:49:40] So, you know, don't come from me in that kind of way.

[00:49:43] Or you might have to say to someone, you, you talking to the wrong person.

[00:49:47] But how do you, how do you deal with that though?

[00:49:49] That frustration?

[00:49:50] I know, like we've talked about this with other women who are like Carrie champion, who

[00:49:54] was on, who's a sports, you know, reporter.

[00:49:56] And we talk about, you know, we're playing chess and the guys are playing checkers.

[00:50:01] We're held to a higher standard.

[00:50:03] Oftentimes because you said like these guys can come in after partying all night and

[00:50:08] coast through, but you've got to be on your game.

[00:50:09] Like, how do you handle the frustration of that?

[00:50:12] Because sometimes they will get picked over you because they are cronies with someone

[00:50:17] or whatever.

[00:50:18] I mean, how do you reconcile that?

[00:50:21] Well, I mean, there's politics and everything.

[00:50:23] So, you know, you got your clicks, you got your clicks with everybody and you just, you

[00:50:28] just got it.

[00:50:28] You know, after a while I realized that even though I had the talent and I was confident

[00:50:33] in my talent, I would have to go and show up at different events and things and remind

[00:50:40] people because, hey, you haven't seen me, but I'm still here or I'm new at this.

[00:50:45] And, you know, eye contact, talking to people, you know, here's my contact information.

[00:50:50] Hey, you're going on a tour.

[00:50:51] You need a percussion play, whatever.

[00:50:53] It's just communication with people.

[00:50:55] And it's hard to do that in these times now because people don't like to go out and talk.

[00:51:00] Everyone's on their phone.

[00:51:01] And it's like my experience and how I maintained through all that was the experience and being

[00:51:09] able to be hands-on.

[00:51:10] Pop's taking me to the events.

[00:51:11] Mom's and pop's taking me.

[00:51:13] I'm hanging out at the clubs, watching people play.

[00:51:15] Hey, I'm going to try to sit in with every single person.

[00:51:18] I, if there was a, a, um, a show every night, I was somewhere trying to get in to go and get

[00:51:24] on that stage.

[00:51:25] And even if they told me, no, I would go to the other side of the stage until somebody said yes.

[00:51:31] And at the end of the night, believe you me, I was on that stage because I knew that I had the

[00:51:36] talent, but people just needed to know me.

[00:51:39] That's all.

[00:51:40] They just needed to know.

[00:51:41] They didn't know.

[00:51:42] And, you know, I want to ask about the fact that you, um, you were engaged to Prince and

[00:51:50] that was okay.

[00:51:52] No, because I'm going to, I'm going to bring it back around.

[00:51:56] It's about the fact that, you know, sometimes when we deal in male dominated industries, we

[00:52:04] do fall in love.

[00:52:05] We do date.

[00:52:06] How do you handle that without it being an issue with you still remaining who you are?

[00:52:14] That is a big one.

[00:52:16] That is so, that is so hard because it's like working with your spouse and, and you're working

[00:52:24] together.

[00:52:24] You're with each other 24 seven, which we were constantly.

[00:52:28] And it's just, it's a beautiful thing at the time and you're doing things and then, you

[00:52:33] know, something gets sideways and you just go, do I still want to do this?

[00:52:37] And then you're not seeing eye to eye.

[00:52:39] And then he's going to a different direction.

[00:52:41] And I'm like, I don't want to be in that direction.

[00:52:44] I want to do something else.

[00:52:45] And, you know, and it's hard to maintain.

[00:52:48] It really is challenging.

[00:52:49] Um, always at the beginning, it's like, you know, the honeymoon stage and everything's

[00:52:54] good.

[00:52:54] And we're, can't nobody tell us nothing.

[00:52:57] Right, right.

[00:52:57] And we're in our own world, you know, we're creating our own stuff and it's just amazing.

[00:53:04] Um, and then, you know, when it's not, it's not, and then it's hard to walk away because,

[00:53:10] uh, at one time, I think it was during, uh, either beginning of, uh, no, the beginning

[00:53:17] of love, sexy, maybe, or something.

[00:53:19] I knew then that I was getting ready to leave.

[00:53:21] I was like, uh, probably maybe at the end of this, I don't know.

[00:53:24] So, uh, I just had to wait and see.

[00:53:27] And then more so it's just like, yeah, no, it's time to leave.

[00:53:30] And I need to do my own thing for a little bit, you know, and just get away.

[00:53:33] But how do you just like, you're with someone and you try to get, you got to cut it all

[00:53:39] off.

[00:53:39] And I, and I, that's when I felt like, oh my God, even if we weren't married, that was a

[00:53:43] marriage that it was like getting a divorce.

[00:53:45] It was so hard.

[00:53:48] It was so hard emotionally, because then you're still listening to that music.

[00:53:52] You were part of writing that music.

[00:53:54] You're hearing it.

[00:53:55] It's all over the place.

[00:53:56] And every time you're reminded of what was, but you wouldn't change it though.

[00:54:01] Not for a minute.

[00:54:02] But how do you navigate that?

[00:54:04] I mean, cause it's, I mean, it's one thing to have a breakup in like a normal life, right?

[00:54:07] But you're, you're melding career with this, you know, wonderful collaboration.

[00:54:14] So were you afraid that going forward after this breakup would, it would impact your career?

[00:54:20] Cause I know for me, that's one reason I don't date other writers.

[00:54:22] Like I don't want to be connected to someone who number one, they can point a finger at

[00:54:27] me and say, oh, well, she's got this job because she's with this person.

[00:54:30] Like, that's always something that I've tried in the back of my head.

[00:54:33] And I think Lonnie, that might be something with you.

[00:54:35] Like you don't do date comedians.

[00:54:36] I mean, that's something you have to navigate as a woman in our world that you don't want

[00:54:41] to be diminished because you're dating someone.

[00:54:43] And that's such a, I don't think you should, I don't know.

[00:54:46] I don't, I think that you should not, when it comes to love, hold off on it.

[00:54:52] Well, you're a woman.

[00:54:52] It just happens to have, if it, well, if it happens, it happens.

[00:54:56] I don't think you should stop it.

[00:54:58] I just think you have to be careful.

[00:54:59] And I think that's why I was asking Sheila about, you know, was there something that

[00:55:04] you set up or was there something that you did?

[00:55:06] It's like to kind of like make sure that you stay true to who you are.

[00:55:11] Cause a lot of times we can take on this other person and we forget about ourselves and then

[00:55:16] we lose ourselves.

[00:55:18] Absolutely.

[00:55:18] And you start, and that was part of it.

[00:55:20] That's what I'm saying.

[00:55:21] Things started changing and you just go, I know that I need to do my own thing.

[00:55:25] And that is that part of just like, okay, you love me for who I was.

[00:55:29] And now I can't go that direction.

[00:55:32] Like it does, it doesn't work.

[00:55:33] Like we're not connected anymore.

[00:55:35] And, and it's funny because I, I'm around mostly musicians, you know, and I, and I've

[00:55:42] always like my first, like love, love was Carlos Santana.

[00:55:46] And I was in love and, and, and it's a thing about men and guitars.

[00:55:52] I don't know.

[00:55:54] A man and guitar.

[00:55:55] Yes, Sheila E.

[00:55:56] And I also bring it up because on the Netflix documentary, which we've talked about previously,

[00:56:02] Sheila, the greatest night in pop, you were featured on that.

[00:56:06] And it's the story about how Lionel Richie and Michael Jackson put together.

[00:56:12] We are the world.

[00:56:13] And it was so interesting because I'm always happy to see Sheila and give her expertise.

[00:56:20] But what, I don't know if you want to elaborate a little bit, but not give it away.

[00:56:25] But there were things in that documentary I was so proud of her for.

[00:56:31] I was really, really proud of you and how you stood up for yourself.

[00:56:36] How, how hard was that at that moment, back in that time when you're in the room with all these people and it's something hits you like, wait a minute.

[00:56:46] No, this ain't right.

[00:56:48] Right.

[00:56:49] It was, it was like someone threw a brick at my head and went, wait a minute.

[00:56:55] You know, I didn't expect that that, you know, I didn't go into that knowing or, you know, thinking about, well, maybe I'm here.

[00:57:02] But it wasn't even that I was part of the family, you know, Quincy, Lionel, everybody.

[00:57:07] So it was, you know, it was, I walked in, that's what it was.

[00:57:11] And then it just kept going on.

[00:57:14] And then they'd say, well, hey, let's see if Prince is coming on.

[00:57:17] I'd call him.

[00:57:18] I'd make the call and, and I talked to him.

[00:57:22] He asked me, how's it going?

[00:57:23] I was like, I think you should be here.

[00:57:24] You should come.

[00:57:25] I go, really?

[00:57:26] And I was like, yeah, it's really cool.

[00:57:28] I mean, you and maybe one other person is not here.

[00:57:30] I think it was Madonna that I could think of.

[00:57:33] But, and he goes, okay, I'll call you, call me back.

[00:57:37] Then I would call him back again, you know, and he said, well, ask him, I play guitar.

[00:57:41] So I had Quincy.

[00:57:42] Prince wants to know, can he play guitar?

[00:57:45] That went on for a few phone calls.

[00:57:48] And then you're still, now you're in the midst of creating this moment and why you're really there.

[00:57:52] And then it got later and later.

[00:57:53] And I had been up for days.

[00:57:54] I was already deprived of two or three days of no sleep because we were out on tour.

[00:58:00] And then I started realizing, and then I saw how Lionel kept saying, oh, no, no, you're good.

[00:58:06] It'll, he just, how he does.

[00:58:08] And next thing you know, everyone's getting their names on the floor.

[00:58:11] And then my heart just dropped.

[00:58:14] Yeah, of course.

[00:58:14] And I went, no, they did not just do this.

[00:58:19] And I just went, wow, okay.

[00:58:21] Well, I'm going to, I'm going to leave now.

[00:58:23] You know, I had to just go and I had to just move on with the whole thing.

[00:58:27] Well, it's so crushing.

[00:58:28] And that's why I asked you, like, how do you navigate that breakup?

[00:58:31] How do you navigate dating someone in that world?

[00:58:34] Yeah.

[00:58:34] No, it's interesting.

[00:58:35] I mean, there's different dynamics in how you, you know, you choose to respond to those kinds of things that are said, these kinds of accusations and, and just ignorance, you know, and, and just so they can say something.

[00:58:50] I mean, I'm not going to say, there was this one drummer who was very famous at the time.

[00:58:55] And I was out with a very famous person and they, we were all in the band together and we were in New Orleans and I, we had to get in the car.

[00:59:05] It was not a lot of room.

[00:59:07] So I halfway sat on half of his lap, but not really, you know, just trying to be respectful, me trying to be respectful.

[00:59:14] And then he grabbed me, you know, and to get me closer and try to feel on me.

[00:59:19] I turned around and I slapped him like I hit those drums.

[00:59:24] Just that one.

[00:59:26] I slapped, I turned around and slapped him.

[00:59:29] Like he was a bonga.

[00:59:31] I slapped him so hard.

[00:59:32] Oh my God.

[00:59:34] Because like, how dare you?

[00:59:35] Like, that's not even, you know, because I'm the only woman in the band and everyone's taking bets who's going to sleep with Sheila first.

[00:59:43] That's what it is.

[00:59:44] So I turned around, I slapped him and he was never the same.

[00:59:48] I mean, but he was good.

[00:59:50] Like he was.

[00:59:51] Yeah.

[00:59:52] That was it.

[00:59:53] Like don't mess with Sheila.

[00:59:54] Yeah.

[00:59:55] You know, but I mean, it's why, you know, some of that, not in the early days, but when I became Sheila E, I was the one that thought about, here's how I want to look and let me do this.

[01:00:08] And I'm just going to be half naked because can't nobody tell me nothing.

[01:00:11] Now I've talked about how us and trying to get respect.

[01:00:15] In fact, I'm talented, but I chose to go out on stage for the whole Purple Rain tour naked, just butt naked, butt naked.

[01:00:23] So it's like, how are you?

[01:00:26] That doesn't mean you're less talented.

[01:00:28] No, but here's the thing is that it was, it was an interesting dynamic because I thought, well, now I want the men to really see I'm on stage.

[01:00:39] I'm still a beautiful woman playing a, their so-called bell instrument.

[01:00:44] And I'm Sheila E and I've got a record out and I've got to, and I'm just going to be me.

[01:00:48] And I'm going to let you just look all over on this and you can't touch it if you want to blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

[01:00:54] Right.

[01:00:54] Just thinking just young.

[01:00:57] And, and so after a while, like, and I would bring men on stage.

[01:01:01] This is where Janet got this from.

[01:01:03] Jackson, if you will, would bring the man up on stage.

[01:01:07] And then I grabbed the man's crotch and he, and I'd have my bodyguard put their hands behind their back.

[01:01:12] So they couldn't touch me.

[01:01:13] And there was this whole routine and Prince looked at me like, you are crazy.

[01:01:17] Like, you know, I didn't think he liked that part, but I was just doing crazy.

[01:01:21] Yeah.

[01:01:21] I was just doing crazy things.

[01:01:23] It's like, I felt like all of the things that they think they do to me, I'm going to do to you first, you know?

[01:01:29] And it was a lash back kind of thing, you know, and just that thing.

[01:01:32] And then later on I started feeling naked.

[01:01:34] And not only that, um, on the reviews, when you get the, you know, back in the day in the paper, the next day you want to see what did they think about the show and whatever city you played.

[01:01:45] And I would read the, you know, the, the reviews and stuff.

[01:01:49] And it was amazing.

[01:01:50] But at the same time, then it became, what is Sheila E. not going to wear tonight?

[01:01:55] It wasn't about her solo, the musicianship, the blah, blah.

[01:01:59] No, it was, what is Sheila not going to wear?

[01:02:02] And then I went, oh no, that's not what I'm trying to do.

[01:02:06] Okay.

[01:02:06] What I understand.

[01:02:07] And I get it.

[01:02:08] And then I watched younger girls trying to dress like me at the time.

[01:02:12] And they're young.

[01:02:13] Yeah.

[01:02:14] So I, it was, this is a balancing act.

[01:02:16] It's a balancing.

[01:02:17] Well, you know, before we let you go, I have one more question.

[01:02:21] What is one piece of advice she would give to women inspiring to succeed in a male dominated industry?

[01:02:27] I look at it as this.

[01:02:29] Um, I never really say that.

[01:02:32] I try not to, that we're in a male dominated industry or because in every workspace, that's how it is.

[01:02:38] It's mostly men.

[01:02:39] One, we just pave our way as we pave our way and we become who we are.

[01:02:43] And we make a difference by just being ourselves and being who we are and standing in our greatness, loving ourselves first so that you can love other people, not be offended by what they say in a way, but just doing works that are great.

[01:02:59] And, and at the best, the best of your ability to be able to just, um, you know, be who you are.

[01:03:06] I know that things get rocks, get thrown at us sometimes, but you just brush it off.

[01:03:10] You stand up and you just, God has created you to be the special person that you are.

[01:03:15] And you just be that in all its glory.

[01:03:18] Because if you put yourself in a little box, whatever size box it is, you're not going to allow yourself to grow and you won't allow God to make your life bigger than you've ever, ever dreamed of because you're stuck in a box.

[01:03:31] Be who you are and be free and just be that confident, beautiful, amazing woman.

[01:03:35] Oh my God.

[01:03:36] I would never put you in a box.

[01:03:38] We are so honored to have you today.

[01:03:41] Thank you for joining us.

[01:03:42] It is such a pleasure and to our listeners, be sure to check out her Grammy nominated album, Bela, available wherever you get your music.

[01:03:52] When we come back, we're going to do Takeaway with Lonnie.

[01:03:55] This is Grown Ass Women Talking.

[01:04:01] I'm feeling super glamorous right now.

[01:04:04] Lonnie, how are you feeling?

[01:04:06] What's the takeaway?

[01:04:07] What did we learn this week?

[01:04:10] Well, first of all, I think, you know, when we talk about dealing with men in a male dominated society, I love the fact that Sheila was so open about, you know, being in a relationship.

[01:04:24] I think the most important takeaway I got from it is to always be yourself.

[01:04:29] And sometimes if you feel that little something that doesn't feel right in your gut, things are happening, then it's time for you maybe to get out.

[01:04:37] It's time for you to speak up or it's time for you to make a change.

[01:04:40] It's time for you to try to do something different.

[01:04:44] And that doesn't necessarily mean you have to leave the situation.

[01:04:47] It just means you have to handle the situation differently.

[01:04:51] That's what I got from that whole conversation.

[01:04:53] What about you?

[01:04:54] Listen, I am on the same page with you.

[01:04:57] I think that we as women are very intuitive and we have to listen to our spidey senses.

[01:05:03] They don't usually lead us on the wrong path.

[01:05:06] You know what I mean?

[01:05:06] Spidey senses.

[01:05:07] They're like when you get that little big, this is not the place you should be right now.

[01:05:11] Like, listen to yourself.

[01:05:12] And I wish we as women would do that more.

[01:05:14] But I'm so proud of Sheila.

[01:05:16] Like, what a freaking beast.

[01:05:18] And like she was doing it before any of us, you know, were doing it.

[01:05:21] So what a wonderful role model.

[01:05:24] And, you know, she's still doing it.

[01:05:26] And I'm so proud of her.

[01:05:28] I mean, she doesn't let anybody, even when Prince passed, she was, you know, there were people that were doing tributes.

[01:05:37] And, of course, because of her relationship with them, she wanted to do tributes.

[01:05:41] And, you know, at times there were people saying, oh, they're, you know, we want, you know, we want the new people and all of this.

[01:05:47] And she just stayed in there and persisted.

[01:05:51] And she got what she needed.

[01:05:53] So I always learn so much.

[01:05:55] And she knows her worth.

[01:05:56] She knows her worth.

[01:05:58] And she knows her stuff.

[01:06:00] So, you know.

[01:06:02] Well, thank you all for joining us for another episode of Grown Ass Women Talking.

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[01:06:24] Thank you again to Sheila E. for joining us.

[01:06:27] Yes, Sheila.

[01:06:27] Check out her Bailar.

[01:06:29] That's her album wherever you get your music.

[01:06:33] Uh, love you all.

[01:06:35] Wait, what's my thing?

[01:06:36] Bye.

[01:06:37] Love to everyone.

[01:06:39] I forgot.

[01:06:40] Bye.

[01:06:41] Love to everyone.

[01:06:46] I know.

[01:06:47] Grown Ass Women Talking is a collaboration between True Love Productions,

[01:06:51] Dunnigan Lane Productions, and Heart Media Productions.

[01:06:54] Our executive producers are Lonnie Love, Erica Montez.

[01:07:00] This episode was produced by Siege Polkinghorn and edited by Nicholas Crawford.

[01:07:05] Our music is by Cole Curtis.

[01:07:08] Special thanks to Elizabeth Munch.